Where's the BEST place to tranfer S8 film...

[mattias]

it's not a question of whether your own material is "questionable" or not (mine usually isn't), it's a question of whether you want to give your money to assholes or not. if there was a jewish bakery and a nazi bakery next to each other in my town, i wouldn't go to the nazis even if their bread was much better...

ah, i love the smell of off topic politics in the morning. :-)

[mattias]

by the way, the policy can be found here: http://www.yalefilmandvideo.com/Terms.htm

[David17]

And here you can tell them what you think about them: http://www.yalefilmandvideo.com/feedback.htm
Be sure to tell them what you think about their policy!

David

My new Super 8 page: http://super8.stormloader.com/

[rollemfilm]

this is interesting because folks have the right to
operate their business the way they see fit. imposing your
ideals upon Yale lab is the same as you feel they are
doing to you. but again, you have a choice not to support
them. i think the nazi parody is a littel harsh. i personally
would not like working at a lab and have to view material
that would bother me away from work. they have the right
to make those policies, it's their business not yours.

[Alex]

Well here it is..... Yale's subject material policy....

SUBJECT MATERIAL POLICY

We realize that the artist has full and total choice of expression. However, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

As a policy, we do not and will not process, print, repair, or transfer any film containing: nudity, pornography, sexual acts (either real or simulated), lewdness, satanic, occultic, religiously blasphemous, exploitative of children, debasement of women, containing S & M, anything illegal, or in any way extremely offensive to us.

Nor will we participate in the desensitization of or the glorification of killing, rape, violence, gore, suicide, torture, profanity, etc.? whether in visual or audio form.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What does "glorification of" mean????...
In many instances...that is another word for satire!

If you aren't "desensitizing", there's a good chance you are "glorifying".

You can't tell intent from a frame of film on celluloid...........Gore?????????? (not the candidate!) Profanity ????????? Violence ?????????? Anything illegal ??????

I could depict violence in my movie and yet the film's message is 100% anti-violence!!!!!!

And there is no mention of prejudice in their disclaimer...

Lets make a list of big-time films that could not meet this criteria....I'll get the ball rolling...

Bonnie and Clyde, Godfather, Parts I,II,III....probably Bambi......

If Yale wants to put their foot down...they should make a distinction between their film-transfer policy versus their processing policy....

...until a movie is edited together...the meaning of individual frames is completely open to interpretation...

Alex

[pcg]

A last chime in: censoring any materials is vile. As a lab, Yale should act as a neutral broker. Period. They cannot possibly prejudge where the film will be shown, let alone how it may be edited. To reject materials that offend some technician remains shocking to me. Their policy is really, & I mean let's get real here, the worst sort of knee jerk political correctness.

No nudity? Now we're back to rejecting films of your kid splashing around in the backyard pool (see my comments above about Zona in Boston). Generally our laws support freedom of expression when the public is buying services from a facility that caters to the public. Yale doesn't run a private lab for special friends of the owner, & there's a world of difference between the two.

Rollem seems to be saying, "Gee they can reject anything or anyone they want." Sure, just try that in your favorite movie theatre or your local bakery. Someone comes in the door wearing tight clothing & the owner says, "Hey--that's pornographic--get outta here!" Can you imagine the suit? And do you believe the owner would win? Of course not.

The critical thing is that Yale is pre-judging visual materials & deciding that certain images are wrong, even for the individual who created them. Alex's Nazi analogy isn't far off. Yale is just doing on a small basis what Nazi Germany did throughout their country for 15 years.

Hey, Rollem, how would you feel if every lab you turned to said, "Man, your ideas (or your face, or your hair length, or your clothes) or your imagery sucks, so get outta here with that film--"?

I won't patronize them, regardless of their technical expertise.

/Pat

[rollemfilm]

i don't advocte their policy. i advocate their
right to have a policy. they have made the investment to
be a film lab, why should anyone dictate to them
what they can do and what they can't. i guess it's Yale's form
free speech.

[Alex]

LOL...LOL...Rollenfilm commented on the nazi bakery analogy that had been made by another poster...

...but it looked like Rollenfilm's comment was in response to my post.......which it was not..........so I moved my previous post to the bottom to avoid the nazi bakery comment being attributed to me....(no one accused Yale of nazism)

Now a different poster is attributing the THE NAZI COMMENT TO ME....IT WAS NOT MINE....I shifted my posted lower to avoid confusion, yet here I am being credited anyway for the nazi bakery comment I DID NOT MAKE............

As for Yales' policy of "reserving the right to refuse service to anyone" notice.....that is the exact same wording used by RESTAURANTS...and IS LEGAL....

However, the one difference between Yale and a restaurant is Yale may be TAKING something from someone and not giving it back...!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Alex (edited January 18, 2001).]

[pcg]

Alex, an apology. Mattias made the nazi analogy, not you. But censorship is wrong in any guise, & fascist countries, as well as many other forms of government this century, have restricted freedom of expression as a form of coercion... Yale's policy, no matter how it's defended, is a warning to any original thinker not to try their ideas out at Yales. And that's fine at one establishment. But if every lab got into the same lockstep with Yale, we'd all be in deep artistic trouble, right?

By the way, any restaurant's phrase about "reserving the right to refuse service to anyone" has never held up in any legal forum I'm aware of (if anyone knows case law where it was upheld, let me know). Those notices are usually posted to deter certain undesirable types (like filmmakers & other controversial beings) from attempting entry!

Somehow we've all managed to be relatively polite. I remain amazed. Let the show go on!

/Pat

[rollemfilm]

yes, a good debate...